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		<title>By: Elbert</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a longtime Sk8r, but I can also understand where the noise pollution complainers are coming from. There are several different ways to &quot;soundproof&quot; a ramp, and if all skate ramp builders soundproofed their ramps, I think we would have a lot less trouble with neighbors and anti-skate legislation. Ramp Plans Dot Org seems to have the most comprehensive list of soundproofing techniques, but just about every ramp building website/book I&#039;ve seen has at least a few tips. 

Good luck to ALL. 

This is from RampPlans.org&#039;s FAQ: 

2.19. 	

How can I make a half pipe quiet?
	

This is a tough question, so this answer is somewhat of a list of guesses. You can close up the back of the halfpipe we did this and it seemed to help a little. Fill in the back of the halfpipe with some sort of sound deadening material. Dirt is probably the cheapest and would work the best. We&#039;re pretty sure if you fill up the back of a halfpipe with dirt this will work really well. Add layers of sound deadening material between the layers of your substrate, such as tar paper for roofing. Use a surfacing or substrate material that deadens sound, polyboard would be a very good choice.

If you have experience with any of these solutions or know of others, please let us know how it went so we can get this question answered better.

Brian Pittman had some good things to add:

At some point your half pipe just gets too big to use dirt to reduce sound. Unless you&#039;re really psyched about moving mounds of dirt I&#039;d advise against it. Putting dirt up against the wood has the added disadvantage of encouraging all kinds of wood-eating bugs, mold, and mildew. And if you&#039;ve got a permanent or semi-permanent structure in mind (more than 1 or 2 years) you&#039;ve got to stick with solutions that provide longevity.

When I permitted my ramp, the local city recognized sound as a potential issue and required me to close in the back of my ramp with plywood. This is the strategy at just about all Vans skate parks. At about $6 to $10 per sheet, just buy 1/4 inch ply and slap it up. For my 16 foot wide halfpipe, it took six sheets on the back and three for the sides, so about $70 for each side. An 8 foot wide mini ramp may come in at $50 for both sides. [ Thanks to Brian Pittman ]

Another cheaper option is to scrounge around carpet store dumpsters and staple discarded carpet scraps in 4- or 8-foot sections to the back of the ramp. Carpet is about the best noise insulator you can find - just ask your neighborhood garage band. [ Bud Stratford, reports that this method worked very well! ] Just do yourself a favor and avoid carpet scraps that are saturated with dog piss.

[Another] good cheap way of sound proofing a mini-ramp or half pipe is by standing up old mattresses. They are usually easy to find. Just ask around for people getting a new bed. [Thanks Slade Buddy]

Another idea involves the hollow-metal sound that you get when you grind steel coping. You can fill the coping with sand, and plug the ends with dowels. That cuts down on coping noise a lot.... [Thanks to Bud Stratford, Muncie IN USA ]

Posit L had this to add:

if you use a barrier of plastic between the bottom of ramp and the backfilled dirt for sound deadening it will help to combat insects and mildew.

The main thing you need to do in order to silence a mini is to shut the coping up. sand works but fill it with concrete, make a watery slurry, stand coping up, plug one end and pour in other from off ladder. Since it is so heavy now you can keep it in place with plumbers tape (bendy metal strap with holes) on the last inch or so, were nobody grinds.

Don&#039;t forget to &quot;vibrate&quot; it, you can use a piece of all thread or rebar, just ream it in there and slush it all around, you don&#039;t want any air pockets. enjoy also its best to use construction grout,(no rocks in the mix) about 8 bucks a bag, one bag should do a 12&#039; wide mini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a longtime Sk8r, but I can also understand where the noise pollution complainers are coming from. There are several different ways to &#8220;soundproof&#8221; a ramp, and if all skate ramp builders soundproofed their ramps, I think we would have a lot less trouble with neighbors and anti-skate legislation. Ramp Plans Dot Org seems to have the most comprehensive list of soundproofing techniques, but just about every ramp building website/book I&#8217;ve seen has at least a few tips. </p>
<p>Good luck to ALL. </p>
<p>This is from RampPlans.org&#8217;s FAQ: </p>
<p>2.19. 	</p>
<p>How can I make a half pipe quiet?</p>
<p>This is a tough question, so this answer is somewhat of a list of guesses. You can close up the back of the halfpipe we did this and it seemed to help a little. Fill in the back of the halfpipe with some sort of sound deadening material. Dirt is probably the cheapest and would work the best. We&#8217;re pretty sure if you fill up the back of a halfpipe with dirt this will work really well. Add layers of sound deadening material between the layers of your substrate, such as tar paper for roofing. Use a surfacing or substrate material that deadens sound, polyboard would be a very good choice.</p>
<p>If you have experience with any of these solutions or know of others, please let us know how it went so we can get this question answered better.</p>
<p>Brian Pittman had some good things to add:</p>
<p>At some point your half pipe just gets too big to use dirt to reduce sound. Unless you&#8217;re really psyched about moving mounds of dirt I&#8217;d advise against it. Putting dirt up against the wood has the added disadvantage of encouraging all kinds of wood-eating bugs, mold, and mildew. And if you&#8217;ve got a permanent or semi-permanent structure in mind (more than 1 or 2 years) you&#8217;ve got to stick with solutions that provide longevity.</p>
<p>When I permitted my ramp, the local city recognized sound as a potential issue and required me to close in the back of my ramp with plywood. This is the strategy at just about all Vans skate parks. At about $6 to $10 per sheet, just buy 1/4 inch ply and slap it up. For my 16 foot wide halfpipe, it took six sheets on the back and three for the sides, so about $70 for each side. An 8 foot wide mini ramp may come in at $50 for both sides. [ Thanks to Brian Pittman ]</p>
<p>Another cheaper option is to scrounge around carpet store dumpsters and staple discarded carpet scraps in 4- or 8-foot sections to the back of the ramp. Carpet is about the best noise insulator you can find &#8211; just ask your neighborhood garage band. [ Bud Stratford, reports that this method worked very well! ] Just do yourself a favor and avoid carpet scraps that are saturated with dog piss.</p>
<p>[Another] good cheap way of sound proofing a mini-ramp or half pipe is by standing up old mattresses. They are usually easy to find. Just ask around for people getting a new bed. [Thanks Slade Buddy]</p>
<p>Another idea involves the hollow-metal sound that you get when you grind steel coping. You can fill the coping with sand, and plug the ends with dowels. That cuts down on coping noise a lot&#8230;. [Thanks to Bud Stratford, Muncie IN USA ]</p>
<p>Posit L had this to add:</p>
<p>if you use a barrier of plastic between the bottom of ramp and the backfilled dirt for sound deadening it will help to combat insects and mildew.</p>
<p>The main thing you need to do in order to silence a mini is to shut the coping up. sand works but fill it with concrete, make a watery slurry, stand coping up, plug one end and pour in other from off ladder. Since it is so heavy now you can keep it in place with plumbers tape (bendy metal strap with holes) on the last inch or so, were nobody grinds.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget to &#8220;vibrate&#8221; it, you can use a piece of all thread or rebar, just ream it in there and slush it all around, you don&#8217;t want any air pockets. enjoy also its best to use construction grout,(no rocks in the mix) about 8 bucks a bag, one bag should do a 12&#8242; wide mini.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you pussies that hate skateboarding are complete fools, I&#039;m glad it annoys you suckers because you deserve to be annoyed when I skate.

sKATEBOARDING FTW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you pussies that hate skateboarding are complete fools, I&#8217;m glad it annoys you suckers because you deserve to be annoyed when I skate.</p>
<p>sKATEBOARDING FTW</p>
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		<title>By: FIRM OF DEWY, CHEATEM AND HOWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>FIRM OF DEWY, CHEATEM AND HOWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWO SOLUTIONS:
MOST LAWS LIKE THIS; ARE COMPLAINT ONLY LAWS. GET YOUR NEIGHBORS WRITTEN PERMISSION THREE HOUSES 
ON EACH SIDE , AND OVER THE BACK FENCE. THEN WRITE THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH COPY OF THEIR PERMISSION AND ASK THAT THE ORDINANCE BE ENFORCED ON A COMPLAINT ONLY BASES.
THAT MEANS YOU CAN NOT BECOME PARTY CENTRAL , AND YOU MUST KEEP THE NOISE TO A MINIMUM, AND BE POLITE. THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE YOUR RAMPS!

2ND: 
SUE the BAS***** many young attorneys will jump at the chance to do this for for free ,
for the name recognition. One of the best is Tibbitts. STEVE YOUNG COULD GET THE LAW CHANGED IN TWO MINUETS ON NATIONAL TV.
THERE IS A TIME TO FLOOD THE CITY ATTORNEYS ,AND YOU DISTRICT REPS. AND THAT IS ONCE ONE OF THIS ACTIONS HAS BEEN STARTED!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWO SOLUTIONS:<br />
MOST LAWS LIKE THIS; ARE COMPLAINT ONLY LAWS. GET YOUR NEIGHBORS WRITTEN PERMISSION THREE HOUSES<br />
ON EACH SIDE , AND OVER THE BACK FENCE. THEN WRITE THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH COPY OF THEIR PERMISSION AND ASK THAT THE ORDINANCE BE ENFORCED ON A COMPLAINT ONLY BASES.<br />
THAT MEANS YOU CAN NOT BECOME PARTY CENTRAL , AND YOU MUST KEEP THE NOISE TO A MINIMUM, AND BE POLITE. THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE YOUR RAMPS!</p>
<p>2ND:<br />
SUE the BAS***** many young attorneys will jump at the chance to do this for for free ,<br />
for the name recognition. One of the best is Tibbitts. STEVE YOUNG COULD GET THE LAW CHANGED IN TWO MINUETS ON NATIONAL TV.<br />
THERE IS A TIME TO FLOOD THE CITY ATTORNEYS ,AND YOU DISTRICT REPS. AND THAT IS ONCE ONE OF THIS ACTIONS HAS BEEN STARTED!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might have a solution for you Utahns that have a ramp and have no where to ride.  Please email me at mmedalla@yahoo.com for more info thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might have a solution for you Utahns that have a ramp and have no where to ride.  Please email me at <a href="mailto:mmedalla@yahoo.com">mmedalla@yahoo.com</a> for more info thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: t0wolf@yahoo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>t0wolf@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a skater, homeowner, and professional. I want to build a mini pipe but am confused about all this. did it go through. Does any body have a mini half they wanna session. if so email me. Im dying for a wooden mini. Please email me, I wanna ride untill i have th funds to build my own.

thanks
THomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a skater, homeowner, and professional. I want to build a mini pipe but am confused about all this. did it go through. Does any body have a mini half they wanna session. if so email me. Im dying for a wooden mini. Please email me, I wanna ride untill i have th funds to build my own.</p>
<p>thanks<br />
THomas</p>
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		<title>By: eat a dick all of you whiney home owners</title>
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		<dc:creator>eat a dick all of you whiney home owners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have 2 neighbors who have skate board ramps and they make no more noise than the people with a trampoline, or the other people that have a horrible band and play till all hours of the night, or the kids running in the front street playing and yelling and when they do skate its only for a 1 or 3 hour session they are very respectful never skate past 10 pm which it the noise ordnance around here so they aren&#039;t doing anything illegal, and Ive owned my home for 3 years and 2 years ago they put the first ramp in. Not much different but the second ramp was much louder i asked them if there was any way to make it less noisy... they where very CONSIDERATE and said yea we can put another layer on it and that should help... and sure as shit it did. so to all of you guys giving skaters a bad rap fuck off :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have 2 neighbors who have skate board ramps and they make no more noise than the people with a trampoline, or the other people that have a horrible band and play till all hours of the night, or the kids running in the front street playing and yelling and when they do skate its only for a 1 or 3 hour session they are very respectful never skate past 10 pm which it the noise ordnance around here so they aren&#8217;t doing anything illegal, and Ive owned my home for 3 years and 2 years ago they put the first ramp in. Not much different but the second ramp was much louder i asked them if there was any way to make it less noisy&#8230; they where very CONSIDERATE and said yea we can put another layer on it and that should help&#8230; and sure as shit it did. so to all of you guys giving skaters a bad rap fuck off <img src='http://www.sublimited.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skateboarders are a bunch of inconsiderate morons!  These ramps should be banned in every city in the country, there is no place for these in a residential neighborhood, they only belong in a secluded area or public park!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skateboarders are a bunch of inconsiderate morons!  These ramps should be banned in every city in the country, there is no place for these in a residential neighborhood, they only belong in a secluded area or public park!</p>
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		<title>By: Green Trampoline Plea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Trampoline Plea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 13:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little off the subject maybe, but a request for you to consider the ethics of purchasing cheap trampolines. Please try and think about, for example, the things the product is manufactured with, the conditions of the employees where they&#039;re manufactured and the green credentials of the retailer. Oh, and endeavour to repair your trampoline instead of throwing away. Thanks!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off the subject maybe, but a request for you to consider the ethics of purchasing cheap trampolines. Please try and think about, for example, the things the product is manufactured with, the conditions of the employees where they&#8217;re manufactured and the green credentials of the retailer. Oh, and endeavour to repair your trampoline instead of throwing away. Thanks!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish we had the same ordinances here in WA.  I&#039;ve lived next door to this nonsense for almost four years now.  So inconsiderate.

I completely understand that these kids could be doing something worse and skating is good for them, I just wish they&#039;d do it somewhere else.  Or at least stop after a reasonable amount of time.  The noise is awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish we had the same ordinances here in WA.  I&#8217;ve lived next door to this nonsense for almost four years now.  So inconsiderate.</p>
<p>I completely understand that these kids could be doing something worse and skating is good for them, I just wish they&#8217;d do it somewhere else.  Or at least stop after a reasonable amount of time.  The noise is awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Adriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is insanely loud where I live. There&#039;s a ramp on a plywood platform in the backyard near us, and honestly, I never mind skateboarders but I cannot believe HOW LOUD this is.  I can close all the windows, put on my noise-cancelling headphones with my IPOD on loud and still hear it.  I&#039;ve never been bother by a band living next door, a daycare across the street, etc...  To compare this ENORMOUS skateboard ramp and its accompanying noise to a swingset really is insane.  

If I had a soundmeter, I could give ratings.  I don&#039;t really undrestnad why people would think it is okay to do this to neighbors.  I can&#039;t use my back deck at all on ANY EVENING after work becuase it is always noisy.  We are renters in a duplex, and seriously, this kind of thing might cause us to move.

I pay $2500 for my monthly rent and have to listen to insanely loud noise pollution.  I really do not understandy how people can say that it isn&#039;t noisy.

Maybe my neighbors built it wrong.  It&#039;s an enormous wooden half-pipe - very tall and wide on a wooden platform.

Holy cow, the noise must be able to be hear from half a block away.  And this is prety dense neighborhood -half apartments, half houses, lots of green yards..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is insanely loud where I live. There&#8217;s a ramp on a plywood platform in the backyard near us, and honestly, I never mind skateboarders but I cannot believe HOW LOUD this is.  I can close all the windows, put on my noise-cancelling headphones with my IPOD on loud and still hear it.  I&#8217;ve never been bother by a band living next door, a daycare across the street, etc&#8230;  To compare this ENORMOUS skateboard ramp and its accompanying noise to a swingset really is insane.  </p>
<p>If I had a soundmeter, I could give ratings.  I don&#8217;t really undrestnad why people would think it is okay to do this to neighbors.  I can&#8217;t use my back deck at all on ANY EVENING after work becuase it is always noisy.  We are renters in a duplex, and seriously, this kind of thing might cause us to move.</p>
<p>I pay $2500 for my monthly rent and have to listen to insanely loud noise pollution.  I really do not understandy how people can say that it isn&#8217;t noisy.</p>
<p>Maybe my neighbors built it wrong.  It&#8217;s an enormous wooden half-pipe &#8211; very tall and wide on a wooden platform.</p>
<p>Holy cow, the noise must be able to be hear from half a block away.  And this is prety dense neighborhood -half apartments, half houses, lots of green yards..</p>
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